Ronald Koeman in-depth interview
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It always seemed inevitable that Ronald Koeman would coach Barça one day, and that finally became a reality on August 19 of this year. The hero of the 1992 European Cup Final returned to the club to take charge of a project that was going to need time and patience.
In the latest edition of the official Barça magazine, the Dutchman speaks frankly and in depth about the experience so far.
You are back at Camp Nou, where you had such success as a player, but now there are no fans, with the coronavirus having created such a strange situation. How has it been for you?
I played a lot of games here, and the fans always helped, so without them, and with just us on the pitch, it’s been very difficult. But it’s been the same for the other teams too; we are all facing difficulties because of Covid.
Are the team noticing it a lot?
Covid was also something new for me, so it’s been hard. And yes, it does it show. It’s especially hard when we play at home, because it’s such a huge ground and you really sense that it’s empty, that there’s nobody here. After a while you might get used to playing without fans, but I think when the players go out onto the pitch and there is zero atmosphere, it’s something that is so strange. You really miss the atmosphere.
You had coronavirus. How was the experience?
I really suffered in the sense that I was really unwell. I was so very tired and I had a fever. It was worse at night but I didn’t get it very badly. I did feel very unwell though, especially the tiredness.
Koeman during the interview with the REVISTA BARÇA
Coincidentally, had it not been for coronavirus you would have managed Holland at the European Championship and might not have ended up at Barça.
Maybe. When they called me in January to ask if I’d be interested in coming, I said that I couldn’t leave the national team with four or five months to go before the Euros. In March, when I knew we wouldn’t be going to the Euros, my personal situation with Holland changed. We were expecting a normal European Championship, with fans, albeit in different countries, but then it all changed. Perhaps if it hadn’t have been for Covid I’d have had to wait another year.
In May you had a small health issue that you have now fully overcome. Did that change your life in any way?
When things like that happen, or when people close to you get sick, then life does change. In my case I had a small stroke, and it does make you think about things differently. Perhaps managing Barça became a case of 'now or never.' I have already been coaching for several years, and I don’t want to still be coaching football when I’m 70. This was the right time.
“I am 57 and have coached for several years, but I don't want to still be doing this when I'm 70. Now was the right time to come here”“
We recently said goodbye, at a young age, to Bruins Slot, a friend with whom you shared many moments in life and football. It must have been a tough loss.
Yes, very. Tony and I coached Ajax together in 2003, and I remember when he learned that he had prostate cancer. He had had it for 17 years, it was something he’d learned to live with, doing chemotherapy. And I could see he was physically weakening. We’d talk a lot, we’d go for dinner together, and I’d visit him at home. He always advised me on opponents, on players, but he had become quieter and I knew why. But I didn’t think he was so close to the end. These are difficult things to cope with, and I don’t think he was able to live the kind of life that someone of his age should have been living. It was very hard and very sad for all his family, but I think that at the end of the day it might have been the best thing for Tony.
Do you remember the first day you told your wife Bartina, or your children Debbie, Tim and Ronald, that you’d be coaching Barça?
Well, whenever Barça were looking for a new coach my name would come up, at the club and among the fans, but also from me because I often said that coaching Barça was always one of my dreams. Then the chance arose and my wife and children knew that I was very excited, and they actually preferred the idea of living here rather than in Holland. That’s not a sporting thing, it’s about life. We have always felt at home here, but most of all they knew that for me it was one of my biggest dreams.
You’d been hoping to manage Barça for a long time, but it came at a very difficult time. But you didn’t need to give the matter much thought and people appreciate your bravery.
No, it was always my dream to coach Barcelona. I don’t think you should wait until the perfect moment for these things. If a team are getting good results, they don’t change coach. Changes happen when the people are unhappy, because the team aren’t winning. I don’t know if I’d call it bravery; I think any coach given that kind of chance would say they’re coming in. Because of the people’s affection for me, because of the club, because of my personal relationship – I know the club well, I know the people, and I played here for six years and was assistant to Van Gaal for a year and a half. I knew it was a difficult time and that there would be big changes at the club. But I’m a coach and I know we have to play well and win our games. The rest of it is out of my control.
You made history as a player, but would you like to do that as a coach too?
At a club like Barça you have to win things. I think our ultimate purpose is to win games and trophies. You get no prizes for finishing fourth, you need to be first. That’s the mentality that this team must have, we can’t settle for anything less. We know that this is a season with a lot of changes, the club are in a difficult financial situation, with issues regarding the players’ salaries. This is a very delicate situation for football clubs because of Covid. But Barcelona are still a team that need to win, with the awareness that changes need to be made, but still aspiring to the highest level and making the biggest demands. That has been the mentality here and always has to be the mentality.
Does being a club legend add to the pressure not to disappoint?
Any coach that comes to Barça has to win and make the people happy. You could have a good name, and have been here before as a player, but ultimately it’s about the trophies and what you win. If you look at my coaching career, not just with Holland but at other places like Benfica, Valencia and Everton and Southampton in England, I wasn’t at big enough clubs to expect to win everything. Now I need to win over the fans and I have noticed that these things are not done easily. I feel that decisions need to be made, changes need to be made. Young players need to get their chances and after a time there need to be assessments. A coach has to work hard and show that they are up to coaching at a club like this.
Messi and Koeman at full time after the win against Real Sociedad
And has being a Barça legend helped you to manage the squad?
In general, it does help. Here, but also at other clubs. When a new coach has played at the highest level, there tends to be a bit more trust. But players aren’t daft, and they know if a coach is any good or not. It is useful to have been a top player, but you need to prove your worth as a coach and not depend on things you’ve done in the past.
You have already shown conviction in your ideas and marked out the path forward, whatever happens. Is it important for you to stay faithful to your ideals?
It’s very important because it is much better to have faith in your own ideas because if you do lose your job and also change your ways, then it’s so much harder. It is important to find the right balance, to have people around you with whom you can discuss the decisions you have to make, but the lines need to be firmly set. It is also a clear message to the players. If a coach is black one day and white the next, you won’t get anywhere. If I lose, I have lost because of my ideas and my philosophy.
Analyst Àlex Delmàs asks this question: You were not a typical defender in your time. You were innovative and great at bringing the ball out of defence, with a spectacular shot, and fantastic at changing direction and covering a lot of space. What do Koeman the player and Koeman the coach have in common?
Most of all, the hunger to win, but that hasn’t changed. I want to see a team that plays, that dominates, but that also creates pressure, and football has also changed. In my time I was more about building from the back, but nowadays full backs are more like wingers. Football has changed, but I want to see my team winning, fighting, working… They need to play well but also need to be realistic about the way to get a good result.
You are Barça’s fifth Dutch manager and you’ve had relationships with all of them. What do you remember about Michels, Cruyff, Van Gaal and Rijkaard?
I was with Michels in the national team. The only major trophy we have ever won was the European Championship in 1988 with Michels as coach. He was a coach with a lot of personality. You learn things from every coach, both positive and negative. I had Johan as a manager for a year at Ajax, before we were both at Barcelona. He was probably the best player in the world during his era and had so much information about the small details in football. I had six very successful years under him. And we were a great bunch of players both on and off the pitch, those were fantastic years. I was assistant to Van Gaal for a year and a half at Barça. The difference between Johan and Van Gaal is that Johan coached like a player, but Van Gaal was more of a professor, more methodological. Johan based things more on what he had seen, his feeling, his experience. I have played with Frank (Rijkaard) but not coached, although we did the coaching course together for a year.
Messi has always played every game, but he’s now 33 years old. How will you deal with rotating him?
In theory, it’s the same for every player. If he is fit to play and good enough, then he will. But, of course, Leo is older than before, although he’s a player who still wants to be in games, and especially to win them. He trains hard every day. He’s very engaged. As I coach I like to speak to my players, and I also speak to Leo about this and other things because he’s also team captain. There are squad matters, rules, and we speak about a lot of things, not just the way we play. That’s part of a coach’s day-to-day, you need to be in communication with your players.
"Leo is older than before, but he's still a player who loves playing -and especially winning games. He's very engaged"“
You don’t seem to be one for singling out anybody, but have Ansu and Pedri surprised you?
It’s always nice to talk about youngsters. They deserve it, but they are also players that still have a lot to learn. But what Ansu and Pedri have done aged just 17 or 18 in such a big team as Barça is something very big. Pedri has come from Las Palmas very young and is already playing games against teams like Madrid and Juventus, and doing so fantastically.
It is important for a club to have youngsters and for them to get chances. You need to switch the team around little by little. You still need the older players but they won’t be around forever and you need to plan changes in good time, calmly. Pedri has earned his place in games because of his work in training. He has shown me what a good player he is and that he is able to play in a team like Barcelona.
Has the club’s institutional and financial situation had any influence on the team?
It’s very difficult because it’s a matter that is totally out of our hands. I have always insisted that if they are calm in the head, they’ll be calm in their bodies. But every team needs a certain amount of peace of mind in order to win things.
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